{"id":2941,"date":"2022-11-16T17:22:58","date_gmt":"2022-11-16T17:22:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/?page_id=2941"},"modified":"2023-01-02T10:31:29","modified_gmt":"2023-01-02T10:31:29","slug":"donner-b1-tech-info-modifications","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/?page_id=2941","title":{"rendered":"Donner B1 tech info\/ modifications"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Please reference me when reposting images from this page. Thx<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is all very preliminary and a tad  frantic as I&#8217;m pretty busy otherwise, but more concise info will follow soon. In brief: partly super close to TD3 in terms of IC choice and VCF\/VCA setup. VCO tuning, however, seems to be done per MCU scheme (trimmers not populated!), and generally, this has a very tidy layout and partly more selective choice of parts. 4580 is the dominant op amp (with LM358 for v\/oct and TL072 for distortion being exceptions). The general sound engine character is closer to the TD3 than to the TT303MK2 or the TB-EFA module I am familiar with. Especially the resonance  character is pretty TD3 style (that\u2019s the matched transistor pairs in the filter for you). As for the VCA, once more the<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.openmusiclabs.com\/projects\/ba662-clone\/\" target=\"_blank\"> OML discrete Ba662 clown<\/a> has been honoured by being used, as far as I can tell. While I can&#8217;t say how this reflects on Donner, I think this speaks for guest&#8217;s accomplishment and the quality of what they did there!<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/CCACD470-002C-4CAF-B378-A95CC0798B55-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2944\" width=\"432\" height=\"324\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/CCACD470-002C-4CAF-B378-A95CC0798B55-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/CCACD470-002C-4CAF-B378-A95CC0798B55-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 432px) 100vw, 432px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">VCF and VCA section\u2026<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>What else? CPU: ARM <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.zlgmcu.com\/data\/upload\/file\/Utilitymcu\/GD32F350xx%20Datasheet%20Rev1.3.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">GD32F<\/a>, distortion is your usual Boss clone (better than on td3, need to trace that first though), delay, yasss! uses a PT2399 chip &#8211; these are fun to mod!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Disassembly <\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Disassembly of the unit is super easy and in places some modifications are practically almost already implemented &#8211; the VCF audio input and the VCA control input for instance, sports a bridged jumper, which you can hijack for using potentiometers or input jack or other stuff &#8211; nice!<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"394\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-1024x394.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2952\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-1024x394.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-300x115.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-768x296.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-1536x591.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/unscrew-2048x788.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">simply unscrew these six and pull knobs of the pots on the front, the gently pry open<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"550\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-1024x550.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2953\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-1024x550.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-300x161.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-768x412.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-1536x825.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/IMG_20221115_175038-2048x1100.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">voila, the jack PCB and the sound PCB and control PCB<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>The only thing with which  you need to be a tad careful is the ziff connection between the smaller sound PCBon top and the larger PCB  underneath. Best lift the smaller one up and turn it slowly and carefully. After unclipping the larger connector leading to the jack board, you can then focus on the little ziff. <\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff-1024x592.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2955\" width=\"480\" height=\"277\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff-1024x592.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff-300x173.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff-768x444.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff-1536x888.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/ziff.jpg 1742w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">pry black ziff brace up first, then gently pull awm ribbon<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Layout <\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-1024x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2954\" width=\"730\" height=\"321\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-1024x450.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-300x132.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-768x338.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-1536x676.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/OVERVIEW-2048x901.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 730px) 100vw, 730px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sound engine PCB<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>You find more detailed pictures below, but this should suit for a general overview. PSU I need to look at in more detail, but there&#8217;s the voltage generation bit per op-amp and we can do a PSU starve like on the TD3 by changing one resistor. Trimmers for OSC scale and offset are not populated, so I guess the software takes care of that. The mini IC left of the waveform switch is a headphones amp and the rest (transistor selection, use of caps, etc.) largely as per Behringer clone. Accent is switched per 4066IC, and, if I&#8217;m not tripping, slide is done per software here. Thankfully, the Donner has manual accent trigger and manual slide trigger as features and you can also set gate length, which goes a long way in terms of finding some grove.  Sooner or later I will of course mess with the circuits&#8230; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More pics at the bottom of this page. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Modifications<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Most of these I hastily tested for an hour yesterday, so treat this more as a shopping list and preliminary inventory. Completely untested stuff is in <em>italics<\/em>. Moe pics and mostly also sound soon!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Unmodded Donner BS1 for initial impressions<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/clip1_exfact.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">like the factory made it<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/clip2_exfact.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">and one more ex factory clip<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>VCO<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pulse wave adjust: R136 (22k) &#8211; confirmed, no demo though<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>VCF<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Filter trimmer up\/down &#8211; not really a mod though, innit?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/trimmer.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">VCF trimmer<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Pre-filter boost: R69 (200k) replaced by 250 k pot<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/VCOOD_MOD.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">VCO overdrive<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Resonance boost: Reduce R140 (10k) a bit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ENV VCF<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Min decay mod: R189 (68k)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Accent decay mod: 250k\/500k pot between cathode D2 and PCB pad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>VCA<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bass boost: augment C143 and C 145 by 100nf<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/bassmod_on.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bass Mod engaged<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>VCA crunch: remove R200 (220k)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/VCA_CRUNCH.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">crunch in, crunch out (or so)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ENV VCA<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Decay mod: R178 (1,5m) replaced by 1m pot<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Gate ON forever: anode D17<\/em> -.- well, you have a hold option on the interface, so not really needed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>VCA ON forever\/VCA CV IN: jumper at VCA <\/em>via 100k or higher<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Rubber Mod<\/strong>: that&#8217;s what made the maffez famous for randomly dropping caps, lol: 560nf across C131 (that cap is not populated &#8212; funny, since a similar setup on the TD3 leads to clicks, here it does not&#8230;)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/rubber_500nf.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">560nf at control pin of VCA (slight clicks when I switch the mod in and out)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/rubbermod2_2uf_toomuch.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">2.2uf cap at C131 &#8211; just for fun as this is somewhat too much &#8211; synth starts dragging its feet<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>DELAY<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/dewlaymods.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">delay mayhem (fb and time modded)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Feedback galore: reduce R113 (10k) to ca 6K8 (optionally per switch) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Time: R48 (2k7) higher or lower &#8211;&gt; the time pot and R48 in series set resistance between PIN6 of the delay chip and GND. Read up details here on electrosmash (page is safe, just outdated certificates) &#8211; <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.electrosmash.com\/pt2399-analysis\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.electrosmash.com\/pt2399-analysis<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PSU STARVATION MOD<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Change R161 (10ohm) to 100ohm (I like) or, if you find this waaaay to much\/not magical enough, to 47ohm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Detail pics<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1018\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-1024x1018.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2957\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-1024x1018.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-300x298.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-768x764.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-1536x1527.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt1.jpg 1569w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"945\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2-945x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2958\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2-945x1024.jpg 945w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2-277x300.jpg 277w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2-768x832.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2-1418x1536.jpg 1418w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt2.jpg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3-930x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2959\" width=\"673\" height=\"741\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3-930x1024.jpg 930w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3-273x300.jpg 273w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3-768x845.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3-1396x1536.jpg 1396w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt3.jpg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 673px) 100vw, 673px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1020\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-1020x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2960\" srcset=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-1020x1024.jpg 1020w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-768x771.jpg 768w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-1530x1536.jpg 1530w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/maffez.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/invnt4.jpg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Please reference me when reposting images from this page. Thx This is all very preliminary and a tad frantic as I&#8217;m pretty busy otherwise, but more concise info will follow soon. In brief: partly super close to TD3 in terms of IC choice and VCF\/VCA setup. VCO tuning, however, seems to be done per MCU &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/maffez.com\/?page_id=2941\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Donner B1 tech info\/ modifications&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-2941","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2941","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2941"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2941\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maffez.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2941"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}